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Dealing with prints that need too much support material

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:22 pm
by RomeFallsAgain
Is there such a thing as "too much" support material?

Are there techniques to reduce the amount of support material needed?

What about breaking up models into pieces, printing the pieces, then re-joining them with some type of adhesive or solvent that will make the re-assembled model as strong (or stronger than if it had been printed one - piece?

Using a lot of supports wastes material and time. I would think that working with your designs in such a way to reduce supports as much as possible much might be a good thing?

Re: Dealing with prints that need too much support material

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:25 pm
by jimc
i very rarely need support. all my models are designed in pieces or split in a way where they can be assembled when done.

Re: Dealing with prints that need too much support material

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:24 pm
by RomeFallsAgain
What method do you commonly use to join your pieces?

Are they interlocking or do you use an adhesive, acetone, push pin ?

Re: Dealing with prints that need too much support material

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:34 pm
by jimc
i will usually solvent bond the parts together. i print almost all petg and some polycarb so my solvent is methylene chloride. sometimes when i model parts there will be a notch or two in the parts so they fit together in the right orientation but i dont do this every time. its not necessary on every part.

Re: Dealing with prints that need too much support material

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:34 am
by palawanisland
you can also try meshmixer to create support.

Re: Dealing with prints that need too much support material

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:07 am
by RomeFallsAgain
jimc wrote:i will usually solvent bond the parts together. i print almost all petg and some polycarb so my solvent is methylene chloride. sometimes when i model parts there will be a notch or two in the parts so they fit together in the right orientation but i dont do this every time. its not necessary on every part.
How strong are those bonds?

Let's say you had two simple rectangular pieces and wanted to "bond" them to create a simple "L" angle.

Would the bond break first under load?

Re: Dealing with prints that need too much support material

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:08 am
by RomeFallsAgain
palawanisland wrote:you can also try meshmixer to create support.
Just downloaded to give it a try. Thanks for the suggestion.

Re: Dealing with prints that need too much support material

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:32 pm
by Rebekah_harper
I have done this several times.

I actually use 3d builder program that comes with windows 10 to split up the model.

I use super glue to put them together and then a filler.

I am going to try and a different method of filling by using a 3d pen.

Becky

Re: Dealing with prints that need too much support material

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:13 pm
by RomeFallsAgain
Rebekah_harper wrote:I have done this several times.

I actually use 3d builder program that comes with windows 10 to split up the model.

I use super glue to put them together and then a filler.

I am going to try and a different method of filling by using a 3d pen.

Becky
Can you please post back on how that pen works out for you?

If it works well I was thinking about getting one. About $60 or so.

Re: Dealing with prints that need too much support material

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:46 pm
by jimc
solvent bonding is stronger than almost any adhesive. its stronger than the layer bonds created by your printer. you would destroy the print pulling it apart. you are making it a single piece. the solvent melts the plastic together then it flashes off after about 12-24 hours leaving the plastic as one piece. solvent bonding is how plexiglass is welded together, pvc and abs pipes, etc.